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What constitutes an Enderal Spoiler?

Obvious Enderal Spoiler Alert. Hey, I guess I'll be the first one to use the portal! I want to know what everybody thinks about Spoilers. I'm assuming that everyone editing the wiki has already finished Enderal, so if you haven't, avert your eyes. Some things are pretty obviously spoilers, especially everything that The Black Guardian tells you at the end-game, the beacon triggering the cleansing, the cleansing creating a new high one, the fact you've been dead all this time, etc. Some other things I believe are not spoilers at all, such as the player's background, as it's literally the first quest of the game. But what about the "intermediate" steps? Should the fact that the player is an Emissary be considered a spoiler? I've been referring to the player in articles as "The Prophet" all this time, but maybe that's a spoiler in itself? Should the existence and function of The Beacon be considered a spoiler? Should the Pyrean's fate be considered a spoiler? The Starling's fate? About companions, should Calia's "inner demon" be a spoiler even though it's one of the first things she tells you on her personal quests?. So, tl;dr: Where do we draw the line from "starting information" to "spoiler"? -- Davipb (talk) 18:50, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

I, for one, have actually not even started the game in earnest yet and have still been a consistent contributor to the wiki. I have contributed to things such as places, character progression, memories and talents, classes, etc. I want to be able to learn as much about the game's mechanics and structure before diving into it. So when you said 'avert your eyes' ... I did. And I didn't read any more of your post. I'm assuming that you're wanting to discuss the use of spoilers here in the wiki. To me, the only place where spoilers will come into play is in the quests and walkthroughs sections. Any other information ... people, places, creatures, spells, talents, maps, etc. ... are all just background and reference information. I personally won't be going through the quests and walkthroughs until I get to them in game, but to me as long as any information that gives away significant plot lines or major story points are marked somehow as spoilers, I see no problem. Obviously, if one wants to read ahead through all the quests before playing them, they're going to see spoiler information ... but that's their choice. -- J'Sylvan (talk) 15:20 29 Aug 2016 (EST)

Hm, I honestly didn't think someone would help at the wiki before finishing the game, so I guess it was good I put that spoiler warning by precaution! However, I was asking mostly a question of "what" rather than "where". Indeed, most pages about places, spells, talents, etc should be spoiler-free, but for other pages, say, pages about the lore itself, what should we even consider a spoiler? Marking everything from the second quest upwards as a spoiler would just be excessive and remove the actual meaning of the spoiler tag, but at the same time, we don't want people reading a plot point they consider important in an unmarked area. So, in summary, I'm asking what information we consider spoilers and what we don't. (Which I suppose you can't help discuss yet, as you'd need to read about the end-game story -- don't spoil yourself in this awesome game!) -- Davipb (talk) 21:26, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

Places Page and Regions of Enderal

I recently updated the Regions section of the Places page to reflect all the various regions on the Enderal map. I worked with several members of the SureAI team for about 2 weeks to come up with an accurate map of Enderal including all the regional boundaries. They even sent me the storybible for Enderal which is the 'outline' for the entire Enderal mod and includes the maps and regions that the SureAI team used when building the mod. There are 13 distinct regions in Enderal that in almost all cases are actually very distinctly defined both on the in-game map and as you're exploring the world of Enderal in game.

Sometime in the last couple of days, I see that someone has updated the Regions section and rearranged the regions and moved some of the regions into other regions that they are not part of. I don't know if this was done to try and make the page more readable because of the number of regions or to try and consolidate content or whatever, but I think we should probably try to agree on layouts of things like this as much as possible. So ... some of the regions as they are now are very definitely not a part of the regions they're listed under and I thought maybe we could discuss these issues here instead of continually making changes back and forth on the actual wiki pages.

If these changes were made in an attempt to logically consolidate some of the regions, and that's the direction we want to go, then I might suggest breaking Enderal down into four larger 'regions' (based on geography) to include all the smaller distinct regions without making any new regional names or placing regions where they shouldn't be. Something like the following:

• Eastern Enderal
  • Goldenforst
  • Thalgard
  • Powder Desert
  • King's Mountain Pass
• Central Enderal
  • Ark
  • The Heartlands
  • The Farmer's Coast
  • Dark Valley
  • Whisperwood
• Southwest Enderal
  • The Sun Coast
  • Western Cliff
• Northern Enderal
  • Frostcliff Mountains
  • The Crystal Forest

Thoughts anyone? -- J'Sylvan (talk) 07:45 31 Aug 2016 (EST)

I don't do much work in the places/regions section of the wiki, but I think we should go with the "official" one, the one you worked out with the SureAI members. It's what the game is designed around, and the wiki is made to describe the game as faithfully as possible. We could add a Template:ModalBox telling everyone those regions are official and they shouldn't move them around when editing. That's just my opinion, though. -- Davipb (talk) 21:50, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

Books/Notes: page standards, template

Dimecoin has started to create book pages and a template. (On the confusion about Skyrim books in the Enderal game data, please read our conversation on my talk page). Dimecoin has asked for help setting up the template and the books pages. I think we should discuss a common standard for how book/nore texts should be presented on our wiki and how to improve the template. As a suggestion for how a book list and the individual book pages could look like, I'd like you to have a look at Skyrim:Books and Skyrim:16 Accords of Madness, v. VI ... on uesp.net, of course. :) Holomay (talk) 09:23, 2 September 2016 (UTC)